LGBTQ+人士旅居地安全指數(shù)
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網(wǎng)友：這圖中的“安全”指的是什么，比如日本，即使日本這么保守的社會(huì)，但Lgbtq+人士在那里也不可能被無(wú)端被打或被抓進(jìn)監(jiān)獄！
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Is this Map Accurate?
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這張安全指數(shù)圖反應(yīng)出的情況屬實(shí)么？
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What's this map referring to by "safe" because for example while Japanese society is generally more conservative you're not likely to come across violence or unwarranted arrest of lgbtq+ people
這圖中的“安全”指的是什么，比如日本，即使日本這么保守的社會(huì)，但Lgbtq+人士在那里也不可能被無(wú)端被打或被抓進(jìn)監(jiān)獄！
The map should clearly state that it means safety from discrimination, not general safety.
For example:
In Brazil, it's somewhat likely to become the victim of violent crime, but unlikely it's because you're gay.
In Japan, it's likely you're not allowed to enter the families-only section of the hot spring resort, likely because you and your husband are both male.
這圖不說(shuō)的挺清楚么，它的意思是有否受歧視的安全，而不是指一般的安全。
例如:在巴西，你有可能成為暴力犯罪的受害者，但不太可能是因?yàn)槟闶峭詰佟?br /> 在日本，你可能不被允許進(jìn)入溫泉度假村的家庭專區(qū)，可能是因?yàn)槟愫湍阏煞蚨际悄行浴?/b>
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In Brazil, no discrimination. Everyone gets robbed equally.
在巴西，絕對(duì)沒(méi)有歧視。因?yàn)槟抢镌诒粨尫矫嫒巳似降取?/b>
The only thing in your pants they care about is your wallet #pridemonth
他們唯一關(guān)心的就是你的錢包
Also in Japan you are not allowed to enter most night clubs if you are a foreigner.
此外，在日本，他們是不會(huì)讓外國(guó)人進(jìn)夜店的。
Brazil has consecutively topped the index of most trans people killed Really sad, even though S?o Paulo has the largest LGBTQ parade in the world
巴西連續(xù)成為變性人生活環(huán)境最差的國(guó)家，真讓人心寒，盡管圣保羅有著世界上有過(guò)規(guī)模最大的LGBTQ游行
i was going to say. alot of the country are very safe to travel in but are suspiciously orange or red
我想說(shuō)，別看有些國(guó)家或橙或紅的，實(shí)際上那里相當(dāng)安全
Japan also declared lgbt people as mentally ill not too long ago, so don’t expect their views of them to improve. But it’s also one of the most xenophobic societies in existence so no surprise they also hate the big gay
不久之前，日本還說(shuō)lgbt屬于精神病，所以別指望他們的想法會(huì)有什么改變。也許日本是世界上最排外的社會(huì)之一，所以對(duì)他們討厭同性戀的態(tài)度毫不為奇！
Also USA and India on the same level? What a stupid map.
美國(guó)和印度的水平居然也是一樣，這圖也太扯了吧
USA bad. Don’t you know that?
美國(guó)啥熊樣，你不知道么？
The US has areas of the country which are incredibly hostile to lgbt which is probably what brings it down.
美國(guó)有一些地區(qū)對(duì)lgbt群體充滿敵意，這可能就是導(dǎo)致它衰落的原因。
How imagine the areas in India…
想象一下這類人要是在印度的話…
I mean idk. India has pretty good laws protecting lgbtq+ rights
不好說(shuō)，但印度有著不錯(cuò)的保護(hù)lgbtq+群體的法律
What are you talking about
你知道你在說(shuō)啥么？
Nobody denies the USA has issues. However, homosexuality was only decriminalized in India in 2009, then criminalized again in 2013 and then decriminalized again in 2018.
From that factoid alone, it should be pretty clear there is a bit of a difference between the US and India.
沒(méi)有人否認(rèn)美國(guó)有問(wèn)題。不過(guò)，印度在2009年才將同性戀無(wú)罪化，但在2013年又將其有罪化，然后在2018年再次將其無(wú)罪化。
很明顯，僅從這個(gè)事實(shí)來(lái)看，美印之間的差距還小么？
You think that, but its not really fair on an international level.
Our, "hostility" is considerably more tame than what goes down in other nations.
And almost all of it doesn't apply to international tourists.
The biggest problem I can think of is the bathroom laws.
PS: Im queer in a red state.
你這個(gè)邏輯套在國(guó)際層面上有失公允
與其他國(guó)家相比，我們的“敵意”要溫和得多
而且大多數(shù)的政策都不適用于外國(guó)游客。
最典型的就是廁所法案。
"while Thailand is viewed as a tourist haven for same-sex couples, the reality for locals is that the law, and often public sentiment, is not so liberal."
As other commenters have said, it seems like this map is focused on laws/regulations/institutional discrimination. Thailand is currently in the process of legalizing same-sex marriage.
“雖然泰國(guó)被視為同性伴侶的旅游天堂，但對(duì)當(dāng)?shù)厝藖?lái)說(shuō)，實(shí)際情況是，那里的法律和民眾容忍度并不那么開(kāi)放?！?/b>
Many red states are instituting bills preventing trans people from accessing public bathrooms, and banning life-saving medication for trans kids. How have you not heard of this?
不少紅色州正制定法案，禁止跨性別者使用公共浴室，禁止為跨性別兒童提供急救藥。你沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)么?
I’ve heard of it. Just don’t think it’s oppression. Kids shouldn’t transition until they’re adults. They can access public bathrooms as long as they’re neutral or a bathroom that corresponds to their biological sex.
我聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)。但這怎么能被看做是逼迫呢？孩子在成年之前不應(yīng)該變性。在他們性成熟之前完全可以去公共浴室，或是符合他們生理性別的浴室。
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Just because you agree with it, doesn't mean it's not oppression. At least be honest.
僅僅因?yàn)槟阃馑⒉灰馕吨皇菈浩?。誠(chéng)實(shí)點(diǎn)吧！
I didn’t realize your opinion on other people’s lives and bodies mattered over their own opinion.
人命重要，還是個(gè)人觀點(diǎn)重要？人們?cè)趺醋鲭y道非得要你來(lái)決定么？
Well, some doctors are activists and in some cases talk people into doing procedures that are irreversible. And there’s a few cases of this. Like Chloe Cole or Prisha Mosley to name a few.
Yeah… it’d be pretty obvious… dude with a shaved face wearing a wig, obvious bone structure just struttin’ on in the women’s bathroom.
嗯，某些醫(yī)生相當(dāng)積極，某些情況下，他們極力勸說(shuō)人們?nèi)プ霾豢赡娴淖冃允中g(shù)。這種例子還不少。比如克洛伊·科爾（注:13歲時(shí)被慫恿女變男）還有普里莎·莫斯利(注：25歲女變男)等等。
是啊，很明顯，刮了毛的臉，戴著假發(fā)，瘦骨嶙峋的家伙在女廁所里亂逛。
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Yeah, it's a misuse of the word safe. Japan is not a violent place, and crime rates are really low, so you'll be very safe. But you will also be openly discriminated against if you are not straight or ethnically Japanese. They're still a solid half century behind in a lot of basic equality aspects. But you're very unlikely to ever be unsafe, just denied entry to some places.
“安全”這個(gè)是被誤導(dǎo)了，日本是一個(gè)相對(duì)平和，犯罪率較低的國(guó)家，所以你感到很安全。你是不是同性戀或你是外國(guó)人，仍然會(huì)受到大眾歧視，他們?cè)诤芏嘧罨镜钠降确矫嫒匀宦浜蟀雮€(gè)世紀(jì)。不是說(shuō)你不安全，只是去不了某些地方。
Also Philippines, its conservative and religious yet acceptance of LGBTQ is prent
Much more than lets say the US or other more developped countries
菲律賓也一樣，他們雖然保守、宗教影響頗深，但對(duì)LGBTQ人士的寬程度，遠(yuǎn)超過(guò)美國(guó)或其他發(fā)達(dá)國(guó)家
Homophobic Polar Bears
北極熊極為仇視同性戀
Honestly, this map looks more like a map of best and worst places for LBGT+ people to live in rather than to travel. In many of the red and orange countries, queer tourists will get away with holding hands and even sometimes booking a hotel room together etc, with barely any risk of violence (Japan being the prime example of course). On the other hand, they are indeed countries with no gay marriage, no legal protection or even straight illegality.
老實(shí)說(shuō)，這張地圖看起來(lái)更像是一張針對(duì)LBGT+群體生活環(huán)境友好度高低的地圖，而不是旅行指南。實(shí)際上在好多紅色和橙色的國(guó)家，同性游客可以手牽手，甚至有時(shí)一起住店等等，幾乎沒(méi)有任何暴力風(fēng)險(xiǎn)(日本最為典型)。另一方面，有些國(guó)家確實(shí)不承認(rèn)同性婚姻，不僅沒(méi)有法律保護(hù)，甚至還會(huì)被認(rèn)為是犯罪。
I was in Guatemala earlier this month which is dark red on this map. There were two gay couples at the hostel I stayed at. It felt like they were completely and entirely safe. Locals interacted with them like they would anyone else
這個(gè)月早些時(shí)候我在圖中被涂為深紅色的危地馬拉。在我住的旅館里有兩對(duì)同性戀夫婦。感覺(jué)他們是完全安全的?？此麄兣c當(dāng)?shù)厝私涣鳎瑳](méi)受到什么區(qū)別對(duì)待。
Yes, Turkey is also completely fine if you’re staying in the regular touristic places.
是的，如果你住在普通旅游點(diǎn)，土耳其也完全沒(méi)問(wèn)題。
Unless you're Portuguese, of course
當(dāng)然，除非你是葡萄牙人
The map really is quite odd in that way, because in many countries there is also a big difference in how outsiders are treated versus natives.
Lots of countries with very rigid cultural expectations that mostly don't apply to tourist because they consider them outsiders and will gladly welcome them to their country.
這張圖在這方面確實(shí)有些怪，因?yàn)樵诓煌瑖?guó)家的當(dāng)?shù)厝藢?duì)待外國(guó)人的方式有著很大區(qū)別。
在好多國(guó)家，對(duì)個(gè)人行為、態(tài)度和價(jià)值觀極為苛刻的期望與要求，但大多不適用于游客，因?yàn)樗麄冋J(rèn)為他們是外人，對(duì)于來(lái)到他們國(guó)家的外國(guó)人他們很歡迎。
China too. You'll probably get a lot of weird looks, but I ain't nobody gonna do anything about it.
中國(guó)也一樣。你可能會(huì)得到好多異樣的眼光，但從不會(huì)把你怎么樣。
I think it's true to some extent. In particular, Spain is a region famous for being quite tolerant of minorities, including lgbtq.
我認(rèn)為這在某種程度上是正確的。尤其西班牙，它是一個(gè)以寬容對(duì)待少數(shù)群體而聞名的國(guó)家，包括lgbtq群體。
Spain is known for being often absurdly racist
西班牙常以荒唐的種族主義而被世人所知
It is compared to the rest of Europe lol
那都是其他歐洲國(guó)家給襯托的，哈哈
Except you can still run into groups of adolescent machomen seeking trouble there
除了你仍然可以在那里遇到一群青春期的大男人
All rankings are putting Poland on a dead end
Except social acceptance rankings, where Poland is better than majority of eastern block countries.
這個(gè)排名把波蘭襯托的太突出了，除了社會(huì)接受度排名，波蘭比大多數(shù)東歐國(guó)家都要好。
West Poland is pretty safe, but East poland is VERY Homophobic.
西波蘭相當(dāng)安全，但東波蘭相當(dāng)恐同。
Just don't suck dick in public and you are good to go in every part of Poland.
在波蘭，你只要不在公共場(chǎng)合表演食大吊，是沒(méi)人會(huì)給你找麻煩的。
It's a very Catholic country.
這里是一個(gè)對(duì)天主教十分虔誠(chéng)的國(guó)家
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I'd be painting the Philippines a lot greener than that.
要我的話，我會(huì)把菲律賓涂得更綠。
Also Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos in the negative, while Thailand is just neutral? Those countries have LGBT culture for ever and being attacked or spit on etc. Is less likely than in London, Berlin and so on for sure.
越南、柬埔寨和老撾也沒(méi)及格，而泰國(guó)處于正處于及格線?在這些國(guó)家LGBT文化一直存在，對(duì)于受攻擊或遭鄙視。肯定比倫敦、柏林等地的可能性要小。
Regarding Canada: I once saw a shirt in the window of a shop in Quebec that said “In Canada, we don’t care who you marry, as long as you both watch hockey”.
對(duì)于加拿大，我曾經(jīng)在魁北克的一家商店櫥窗里看到過(guò)這么一件文化衫，上面寫到:“在加拿大，我們不在乎你嫁給誰(shuí)，只要你們都是冰球迷就行?！?/b>
It might get a bit heated if one of the couple is a Leafs fan and the other a Habs fan haha
如果這對(duì)情侶中，一個(gè)是Leafs隊(duì)球迷，另一個(gè)是Habs球迷，那場(chǎng)面可能會(huì)變得很激烈，哈哈
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And if you don't watch hockey then you absolutely will be discriminated against.
（在加拿大）如果你不看冰球比賽，那么你肯定會(huì)受到冷眼相待。
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This is why my country (Canada) has been looking to deport me for years. I'm not a fan of hockey and never have been.
我想這就是為什么我們國(guó)家(加拿大)這么些年來(lái)一直想把我趕走原因。我不喜歡冰球，從來(lái)就不喜歡。
Not as far as Cambodia is concerned. LGBT travelers will never have issues, and there are gay venues in both Siem Reap and Phnom Penh. Only traveling to remote, rural locations may yield stares, but nothing remotely malicious. Although there's a constitutional ban on marriage, about 60% of people here are in favor of it. This is a case where the government policies are old, and do not necessarily reflect the sentiment of the people.
就柬埔寨而言，實(shí)際情況并非如此。LGBT人士去那里絕對(duì)不會(huì)遇到麻煩，在暹粒和金邊都有同性戀聚集地。只有在偏遠(yuǎn)的農(nóng)村地區(qū)旅行，人們才會(huì)盯著你看，但這絕非惡意。雖然他們法律不承認(rèn)同性婚姻，但那里大約有60%的人并不反對(duì)。這已經(jīng)是他們政府過(guò)時(shí)的政策，早已無(wú)法如實(shí)反映國(guó)民觀念?！?/b>
Is there somewhere an explanation on how they rated these countries? Because I dont quite understand how Vatican City is considered so severly unsafe?
評(píng)判標(biāo)準(zhǔn)他們沒(méi)解釋一下么?因?yàn)槲也惶靼?，為什么梵蒂岡城被認(rèn)為這么危險(xiǎn)?
It's cause the pope personally executes any gay person enrering the Vatican
因?yàn)榻袒蕰?huì)親自處決任何進(jìn)入梵蒂岡的同性戀
I had a schoolmate who went to a Seminary at the Vatican to train as a priest in the 1980's. He said 90% of the trainee priests were openly gay. He left after 5 years because he "discovered breasts".
80年代，我一同學(xué)去梵蒂岡神學(xué)院接受牧師進(jìn)修課。他說(shuō)90%的見(jiàn)習(xí)牧師都是公開(kāi)同性戀。5年后他離開(kāi)了，因?yàn)樗鞍l(fā)現(xiàn)了咪咪”。
you should look up their track record with children!
你應(yīng)該了解下他們對(duì)待孩童的歷史!
This looks more of a map about legal rights for LGBTQ people living here, not so much safety for travelers.
Sure, in less tolerant countries there might on average be more verbal or physical attacks, but it would make more sense to measure this directly if the purpose is for LGBTQ travelers
感覺(jué)這看起來(lái)更像是一張有關(guān)LGBTQ人群法律權(quán)利的地圖，跟到那里的旅行者安不安全毫無(wú)關(guān)系。
當(dāng)然，在有些刻薄的國(guó)家里，你無(wú)論何種身份都會(huì)受到言語(yǔ)或肢體上的攻擊，但如果只是統(tǒng)計(jì)LGBTQ旅行者，那么這種比較還算是有點(diǎn)意義。
I think this has more to do with the laws in place than anything else, also religion plays a part, the most vocal people’s opinions on the matter, and the lack of proper education on the matter due to the previous reasons. Overall the map seems pretty accurate to me. Just a little surprised by India, but I don’t much about what laws they have passed in recent years.
我認(rèn)為這更多是針對(duì)LGBTQ群體立法有關(guān)，宗教也起了一定影響，關(guān)于這方面的最為直接的建議是教育工作還有待加強(qiáng)?？偟膩?lái)說(shuō)，我覺(jué)得這張圖描述的比較準(zhǔn)確。但對(duì)印度感到有些意外，我不太知道印度近年來(lái)通過(guò)了什么有關(guān)LGBTQ群體的法律。
India does not follow Sharia laws per se. Indian constitution grants special autonomy to religious minorities which allows them to set up their own religious laws. This has enabled the Muslim minority to essentially set up sharia ruled pockets in different parts of the country.
The gay marriage has not been legalised yet because of the definition of marriage in the Indian constitution, which can only be changed via constitutional amendment, a very lengthy and politically costly procedure. Gay marriages are, however, decriminalised and are possible under the special marriage provisions of the constitution.
伊斯蘭教并不是印度的國(guó)教。印度憲法賦予宗教少數(shù)群體特別自治權(quán)，允許他們制定自己的宗教法律。這使得穆斯林少數(shù)民族基本可以在該國(guó)不同地區(qū)建立伊斯蘭教法管理范圍。由于印度憲法對(duì)婚姻的定義只能通過(guò)修憲來(lái)完成，同性戀婚姻尚未合法化，這是一個(gè)耗時(shí)漫長(zhǎng)且政治代價(jià)高昂的過(guò)程。然而，根據(jù)憲法的特殊婚姻條款，同性婚姻還是可以合法化的。
Seriously, how can it be the same color as Pakistan which has legal capital punishment for homosexuality
說(shuō)真的，印度喝巴基斯坦這倆國(guó)家都同一人種，但在巴基斯坦同性戀會(huì)判死刑
And again this stupid map, is Ukraine better than Poland? Nah, wrong map
烏克蘭居然比波蘭還要好，這不扯么？不可能，這圖肯定弄錯(cuò)了！
Well, if you usually get shelled here not because you are LGBTQ...
如果你經(jīng)常在那里被撅，那并不是因?yàn)槟闶荓GBTQ…
Country in War safer for travel than Poland. Interesting map
處于戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中的國(guó)家居然比波蘭還更安全。這不是搞笑呢么
I think this is exaggeration, Turkey is not the same level as some of those muslim countries, it is much safer.
我感覺(jué)有些過(guò)于夸張了，土耳其還能跟那些穆斯林國(guó)家一樣？土耳其可安全多了。
This might be the case for Istanbul and Izmir, but don't try and venture into Erdoganistan with your s/s partner
這可能是埃爾多安斯坦的情況，但不要幻想跟你的伴侶去土耳其以身試險(xiǎn)
So the Philippines, the "gayest country" in Asia, is in red? LOL whoever made this map has never been to the Philippines.
菲律賓，一個(gè)亞洲“最GAY的國(guó)家”，居然是通紅通紅?哈哈，制作這張圖的人可能從來(lái)沒(méi)有去過(guò)菲律賓。
Based on the map notes, it's more to do with legal rights and protections than Vibes, hence why it rates low.
根據(jù)該圖上的注釋，它更多的是與立法與保護(hù)有關(guān)，而不是社會(huì)環(huán)境，因此它的排名很低。
Dumb index. Safety while traveling depends much more on what you do than who you are. If you don't engage in any PDA and don't wear pride stuff the middle east is just fine. On the other hand kissing in public and such is frowned upon for all people in a lot of places.
Also why would marriage laws be relevant at all to travel safety??
愚蠢的比較。旅行是否安全更多地取決于你做了什么，而不在于你何種身份。如果你不亂秀恩愛(ài)，也不身著奇裝異服，即使在中東國(guó)家也一樣安全。另一方面，在公共場(chǎng)合的做一些親密舉動(dòng)，這種行為在很多地方也不都會(huì)被接受的。還有，婚姻法和旅行安全有個(gè)毛的關(guān)系?
Taiwan is accurate. Same-sex marriage is legal. Nobody cares what your sexual orientation is.
臺(tái)灣島涂的挺準(zhǔn)的，同性婚姻在那里是合法的。在那里沒(méi)人在乎你的性取向。
Map is some serious BS, India is among the safest in all of Asia? You are perfectly safe in all the East Asian countries (China, Japan, Korea) as LGBTQ.
這地圖就是扯淡，印度咋就成了全亞洲最安全的國(guó)家?作為L(zhǎng)GBTQ，你在所有東亞國(guó)家(包括中國(guó)、日本、韓國(guó))都是相當(dāng)安全的。
Inaccurate. Russia is LGBTQ friendly. Signs of affection in public are just heavily discouraged. Likewise for most middle eastern countries. In Latin America, even if the country's policies and political leaders are pro-LGBTQ, you're literally a walking target. Most especially in the slums of Mexico, Central America, Brazil, Colombia, and Ecuador. In South Africa, the closer you are to neighboring countries the risk is higher. In China and South Korea, you're a walking disease.
這圖不準(zhǔn)確。LGBTQ在俄羅斯也很安全。當(dāng)然這類人在公共場(chǎng)合公然秀恩愛(ài)無(wú)法被接受。大多數(shù)中東國(guó)家也是一樣。在拉丁美洲，即使這個(gè)國(guó)家的政策和領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人支持lgbtq，你也是一個(gè)特立獨(dú)行的存在。尤其是在墨西哥、中美洲、巴西、哥倫比亞和厄瓜多爾的貧民窟。在南非你離那里越遠(yuǎn)越危險(xiǎn)。至于中國(guó)和韓國(guó)，你在那里就是一個(gè)會(huì)行走的病人。
I think the US map should be state based. I’m a straight white male, but I have zero desire to travel to the Deep South (Alabama, Mississippi, etc) because I don’t trust the yokel police to not pull a My Cousin Vinny on me during a road trip.
我認(rèn)為這張圖應(yīng)該把美國(guó)按州細(xì)分一下。我是一個(gè)白人直男，但我一點(diǎn)也不想去南方州(比如阿拉巴馬州、密西西比州等)，因?yàn)槲掖_信那些紅脖子警察肯定會(huì)把與我同行Vinny堂兄給拽出來(lái)。
So Asia is pretty much right out...
對(duì)于亞洲各各國(guó)家的描繪還是挺準(zhǔn)的