(印度)普通類學(xué)生還要受苦多久？我們怎樣才能取消保留制度？或者我們?nèi)绾尾拍苷嬲龔氐紫N姓制度，走向像中國一樣重視功績的國家？
Fo how long does General Category students shall suffer? How can we remove reservations? Or how can we actually remove caste system as a whole and go towards a nation that prioritises Merit like China?
譯文簡介
網(wǎng)友：度領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人不去開辦小學(xué)和提供優(yōu)質(zhì)教育，卻忙于進(jìn)行種姓普查。
正文翻譯
@Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Independent Legal Banking Consultant at Self-Employment2h
China prioritizes Merit
However China also prioritizes:-
Affordable Primary & Secondary Education to every one
Affordable Tertiary Education to every one
Affordable and Free Coaching for Students in STEM subjects
Thus the Poor Chinese student has a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD with the Richest Chinese student
They go to the same school
They study the same subjects
They both have free school until IX and later pay 2000 RMB a year for their secondary education
They can go to the same University regardless of if one if the son of a millionaire and another is son of a shoe shine man
They both have the medium of instruction as Chinese and both have the same English Coaching Materials
So in China - Meritocracy is much easier because there is a level playing field between Chinese students of all Categories
India is entirely different
It is a cesspit of corruption and evil in every sphere and fibre
First - THERE IS NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD between the Rich and Poor Students
The Rich Students pay ?50–300 K for School Education and can easily cough up ?2–3 Lakh for Coaching
The Poor Students can't pay a fifth of this and struggle in every way possible
As a result - Meritocracy could be lost in a world of Elitism
So if Reservations are removed today, it could be a return to the British Indian times
So the first step is to
Ensure EVERY STUDENT HAS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
Ensure only the really oppressed students can get the benefit of reservations
This means :-
More Primary Schools
Better Quality of Teachers
Mandatory for every Teacher and Professor to give 2 hours free coaching every week
More Government and Quasi Government colleges
Plus my original suggestions:-
No Reservations for those who have a family income above ?5 LPA (ST), ?10 LPA (OBC), ?8 LPA (EWS & SC)
Only Two generations of a family will get benefit of Reservations
If this is done, then we can think of China like meritocracy after 3 generations (21 years)
In India, we are in the opposite direction
We are handing over education to capitalists who are exploiting the average students and common students
So real meritocracy is likely very far away in India
中國優(yōu)先考慮人才
然而中國也優(yōu)先考慮：
讓每個人都能享受到負(fù)擔(dān)得起的小學(xué)和中學(xué)教育
讓每個人都能負(fù)擔(dān)得起高等教育
為STEM學(xué)科的學(xué)生提供價格合理且免費的輔導(dǎo)
因此，貧窮的中國學(xué)生與最富有的中國學(xué)生處于平等的競爭環(huán)境中
他們上的是同一所學(xué)校
他們學(xué)習(xí)相同的科目
他們倆都免費上學(xué)到九年級，之后每年支付2000元人民幣接受中學(xué)教育
他們可以上同一所大學(xué)，無論一個是百萬富翁的兒子，另一個是擦鞋匠的兒子
兩所學(xué)校的教學(xué)語言均為中文，并且都使用相同的英語輔導(dǎo)材料
因此在中國，精英管理制度更容易實施，因為中國各個類別的學(xué)生之間都有公平的競爭環(huán)境
印度則完全不同
它是每個領(lǐng)域都有腐敗和邪惡的糞坑
首先，富裕學(xué)生和貧困學(xué)生之間不存在公平的競爭環(huán)境
富裕學(xué)生支付5-30萬盧比用于學(xué)校教育，并很容易花掉20-30萬盧比用于輔導(dǎo)
貧困學(xué)生連五分之一的學(xué)費都付不起，只能拼盡全力
因此，精英統(tǒng)治可能會在精英主義的世界中消失
因此，如果今天取消保留，可能會回到英屬印度時代
所以第一步是
確保每個學(xué)生都有公平的競爭環(huán)境
確保只有真正受到壓迫的學(xué)生才能享受保留的福利
這意味著
更多小學(xué)
教師素質(zhì)提高
要求每位教師和教授每周提供2小時免費輔導(dǎo)
更多政府和準(zhǔn)政府學(xué)院
加上我原來的建議
家庭收入超過一定水平的人員不能享受保留
一個家庭只有兩代人能享受保留的福利
如果這樣做，那么我們可以認(rèn)為經(jīng)過三代人（21年）之后，就會變成中國那樣的精英統(tǒng)治。
在印度，我們正朝著相反的方向
我們把教育交給了剝削普通學(xué)生和普通學(xué)生的資本家
因此，印度距離真正的精英統(tǒng)治可能還很遙遠(yuǎn)
Independent Legal Banking Consultant at Self-Employment2h
China prioritizes Merit
However China also prioritizes:-
Affordable Primary & Secondary Education to every one
Affordable Tertiary Education to every one
Affordable and Free Coaching for Students in STEM subjects
Thus the Poor Chinese student has a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD with the Richest Chinese student
They go to the same school
They study the same subjects
They both have free school until IX and later pay 2000 RMB a year for their secondary education
They can go to the same University regardless of if one if the son of a millionaire and another is son of a shoe shine man
They both have the medium of instruction as Chinese and both have the same English Coaching Materials
So in China - Meritocracy is much easier because there is a level playing field between Chinese students of all Categories
India is entirely different
It is a cesspit of corruption and evil in every sphere and fibre
First - THERE IS NO LEVEL PLAYING FIELD between the Rich and Poor Students
The Rich Students pay ?50–300 K for School Education and can easily cough up ?2–3 Lakh for Coaching
The Poor Students can't pay a fifth of this and struggle in every way possible
As a result - Meritocracy could be lost in a world of Elitism
So if Reservations are removed today, it could be a return to the British Indian times
So the first step is to
Ensure EVERY STUDENT HAS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
Ensure only the really oppressed students can get the benefit of reservations
This means :-
More Primary Schools
Better Quality of Teachers
Mandatory for every Teacher and Professor to give 2 hours free coaching every week
More Government and Quasi Government colleges
Plus my original suggestions:-
No Reservations for those who have a family income above ?5 LPA (ST), ?10 LPA (OBC), ?8 LPA (EWS & SC)
Only Two generations of a family will get benefit of Reservations
If this is done, then we can think of China like meritocracy after 3 generations (21 years)
In India, we are in the opposite direction
We are handing over education to capitalists who are exploiting the average students and common students
So real meritocracy is likely very far away in India
中國優(yōu)先考慮人才
然而中國也優(yōu)先考慮：
讓每個人都能享受到負(fù)擔(dān)得起的小學(xué)和中學(xué)教育
讓每個人都能負(fù)擔(dān)得起高等教育
為STEM學(xué)科的學(xué)生提供價格合理且免費的輔導(dǎo)
因此，貧窮的中國學(xué)生與最富有的中國學(xué)生處于平等的競爭環(huán)境中
他們上的是同一所學(xué)校
他們學(xué)習(xí)相同的科目
他們倆都免費上學(xué)到九年級，之后每年支付2000元人民幣接受中學(xué)教育
他們可以上同一所大學(xué)，無論一個是百萬富翁的兒子，另一個是擦鞋匠的兒子
兩所學(xué)校的教學(xué)語言均為中文，并且都使用相同的英語輔導(dǎo)材料
因此在中國，精英管理制度更容易實施，因為中國各個類別的學(xué)生之間都有公平的競爭環(huán)境
印度則完全不同
它是每個領(lǐng)域都有腐敗和邪惡的糞坑
首先，富裕學(xué)生和貧困學(xué)生之間不存在公平的競爭環(huán)境
富裕學(xué)生支付5-30萬盧比用于學(xué)校教育，并很容易花掉20-30萬盧比用于輔導(dǎo)
貧困學(xué)生連五分之一的學(xué)費都付不起，只能拼盡全力
因此，精英統(tǒng)治可能會在精英主義的世界中消失
因此，如果今天取消保留，可能會回到英屬印度時代
所以第一步是
確保每個學(xué)生都有公平的競爭環(huán)境
確保只有真正受到壓迫的學(xué)生才能享受保留的福利
這意味著
更多小學(xué)
教師素質(zhì)提高
要求每位教師和教授每周提供2小時免費輔導(dǎo)
更多政府和準(zhǔn)政府學(xué)院
加上我原來的建議
家庭收入超過一定水平的人員不能享受保留
一個家庭只有兩代人能享受保留的福利
如果這樣做，那么我們可以認(rèn)為經(jīng)過三代人（21年）之后，就會變成中國那樣的精英統(tǒng)治。
在印度，我們正朝著相反的方向
我們把教育交給了剝削普通學(xué)生和普通學(xué)生的資本家
因此，印度距離真正的精英統(tǒng)治可能還很遙遠(yuǎn)
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Instead of opening primary schools and providing quality education, Indian leaders are busy in caste census.
印度領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人不去開辦小學(xué)和提供優(yōu)質(zhì)教育，卻忙于進(jìn)行種姓普查。
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They’re not busy in caste census. They are busy in: Fighting the other leaders who want the caste census; while Trying to implement the NRC+CAA, despite the fact that most of India could not care less about it.
他們不是忙于種姓普查。他們忙于：與想要種姓普查的其他領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人斗爭；同時，試圖實施NRC和CAA，盡管大多數(shù)印度人對此毫不關(guān)心。
There are government schools and government teachers. Who are government teachers again? The reservation batch. How will you achieve the same level of playing? Impossible, just impossible.
有公立學(xué)校和公立教師。誰是公立教師？預(yù)留名額的那批人。你如何達(dá)到同等水平？不可能，根本不可能。
Sir leaders like k Kamraj, Joseph Stalin, vs Achyutandam didn't even do graduation.
像K Kamraj、約瑟夫·斯大林、VS Achyutandam這樣的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人甚至沒有完成大學(xué)學(xué)業(yè)。
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Rich Chinese parents send their kids to Elite private schools and target western universities.
富有的中國父母把他們的孩子送到精英私立學(xué)校，并以西方大學(xué)為目標(biāo)。
Naah Very very few of them actually do It's a huge process C** members can't do this, Public Company Directors and Board Members can't do this So usually this is a very small number Around 0.2% of all Students
不，實際上非常非常少的一部分人這么做。這是一個龐大的過程。中G成員不能這樣做，公共公司董事和董事會成員也不能這樣做。所以通常這只是一個很小的數(shù)字，大約占所有學(xué)生的0.2%。
Quiet a few private schools. 180,000 of them as per this report. I know a few head teachers from UK who were recruited for China at double and triple their salaries. Also schools like Dulwich college ensures a free pass to a good university in the west.
相當(dāng)多的私立學(xué)校。據(jù)這份報告稱有18萬所。我認(rèn)識一些來自英國的校長，他們以兩倍和三倍的薪水被招募到中國。此外，像杜威學(xué)院這樣的學(xué)校確保進(jìn)入西方一所好大學(xué)的機(jī)會。
Why not throw out caste? Meritocracy is snap after that…
為什么不拋棄種姓呢？拋棄之后就是精英統(tǒng)治……
Easier said than done To throw out Caste, you need a level playing field Once everything becomes about economics, nobody will bother about Caste
說起來容易做起來難。要拋棄種姓，你需要一個公平的競爭環(huán)境。一旦一切都變成了經(jīng)濟(jì)問題，就沒有人會在意種姓了。
Sir an arrogant ias officer does bad behaviour with educated subordinates who came from group 2 and ssc cgl because he is an ias. But now our ministers cr patil jual Oram and Kishan reddy all of them have diditi what will the ias call him sir now the problem our society doesn't prioritise merit it prioritises stupidity if these happens like this an uneducated politician will spoil the brains of parents by these saying iitss and ias have carrier others don't have those idiots who say, meritocracy is important are the first one to support draupadi murmu over yashwant sinha and modi over manmohan singh
一位傲慢的IAS官員對來自第二組和SSC CGL的受過教育的下屬態(tài)度惡劣，因為他是IAS。但現(xiàn)在我們的部長CR Patil、Jual Oram和Kishan Reddy都這樣，IAS會怎么稱呼他？現(xiàn)在的問題是我們的社會不重視能力，而是重視愚蠢。如果這樣下去，一個未受過教育的政客會通過說IITs和IAS有職業(yè)，而其他人沒有來毀掉父母的腦子。那些說精英統(tǒng)治重要的人是第一個支持Draupadi Murmu而不是Yashwant Sinha和莫迪而不是曼莫漢·辛格的。
No Reservations for those who have a family income above ?5 LPA (ST), ?10 LPA (OBC), ?8 LPA (EWS & SC) Why divide people caste in category include all in ews section,,and ban identify people as obc, sc, st or other.. Make ews for all (caste, religion) 5 lakh income Land (set limit upto 5 acre) House And other if required I support ews only in jobs orinted exam like banking, upsc and other govt jobs There is no meaning of ews or other reservation in entrance exam like jee, neet and other…ban all kinds of reservation in entrance exams …. after clearing u can provide them scholarship, fees waiver etc etc
對于家庭收入超過相應(yīng)水平的人，不享有保留名額。為什么要按種姓劃分人群，應(yīng)該把所有人都包括在EWS部分，禁止將人識別為OBC、SC、ST或其他。為所有人（種姓、宗教）設(shè)立EWS。標(biāo)準(zhǔn)是收入5萬，土地限制到5英畝，房子和其他必要的。我只支持在就業(yè)導(dǎo)向的考試中（如銀行、事業(yè)單位和其他政府工作）設(shè)置EWS。JEE、NEET和其他入學(xué)考試中沒有EWS或其他預(yù)留名額的意義……禁止所有種類的入學(xué)考試預(yù)留名額……在通過考試后，你可以為他們提供獎學(xué)金、學(xué)費減免等等。
譯者注：此處有印度的許多縮寫詞匯
EWS（Economically Weaker Sections）：經(jīng)濟(jì)較弱群體。
OBC（Other Backward Classes）：其他落后階層
SC（Scheduled Castes）：低賤種姓
ST（Scheduled Tribes）：低賤部落
JEE：相當(dāng)于高考
NEET：相當(dāng)于職業(yè)資格考試
How 3 generation= 21 years
三代人=21年如何成立？
Income based reservation is fine but marks based reservation is not.
基于收入的預(yù)留名額是可以的，但基于成績的預(yù)留名額是不行的。
Income based reservation only work in job based exam….not in college entrance exam tbh ….
基于收入的預(yù)留名額只適用于工作考試……說實話，不適用于大學(xué)入學(xué)考試。
What i meant is, giving free education and concession to students of ST, SC, OBC and other lower income groups is ok but giving admission to SC, ST students in top colleges even after getting worst ranks is not justified.
我的意思是，給ST、SC、OBC和其他低收入群體的學(xué)生提供免費教育和優(yōu)惠是可以的，但即使在獲得最差排名后也給SC、ST學(xué)生進(jìn)入頂尖大學(xué)的名額是不合理的。
Also how does this affect the Caste System as a whole ? I believe Caste system is still kept alive by the political leaders so that they can use Divide and Rule trick wherever they can
這對整個種姓制度有何影響？我相信種姓制度仍然被政治領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人維持著，以便他們可以在任何地方使用分而治之的策略。
You are correct sir. India first of all has to ensure level playing field for all students. That itself is a big ask.
您說得對，先生。印度首先必須確保所有學(xué)生的公平競爭環(huán)境。這本身就是一個巨大的要求。
Schools are the biggest center of corruption in India. Even in private schools, hardly 20 to 30 percent of fees are used on students rest have the same fate as Anarkali.
學(xué)校是印度最大的腐敗中心。即使在私立學(xué)校，幾乎只有20%到30%的費用用于學(xué)生，其余的命運與安娜卡莉相同。
Then we should remove reservations in promotion. There is no difference after getting same job, same salary.
那么我們應(yīng)該取消晉升中的預(yù)留名額。在獲得相同工作、相同工資后，沒有區(qū)別。
Sir, if better opportunities provided atleast in early stages of education like school, after school for 2 years. Even less privileged people also can thrive sir.
先生，如果在教育的早期階段（如學(xué)校）提供更好的機(jī)會，放學(xué)后2年。即使是較少受特權(quán)的人也能茁壯成長，先生。
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The municipal schools are pretty good and have great teachers, they even have free midday meals, you don't even have to pay the fees as well! what’s excuse for failure?
市政學(xué)校相當(dāng)不錯，有優(yōu)秀的老師，他們甚至提供免費的午餐，你甚至不需要支付學(xué)費！失敗的借口是什么？
South Indians /marathis(also dravidians)/ bengalis( austro asiatic )are much more corrupt and money minded. Might be that must be their coping mechanism of ugly black looks and genetics.
南印度人/馬拉地人（也是達(dá)羅毗荼人）/孟加拉人（南亞人）更腐敗和金錢至上。這可能是他們應(yīng)對丑陋的黑色外表和基因的機(jī)制。
We are sinking, without our knowledge only because we have made merit a casualty long ago !!!
我們正在下沉，而我們卻沒有意識到，因為我們很久以前就讓能力成了犧牲品?。?！
Our current government will privatize everything. So, reservation will remove in psu. Also, General category will vote for only one party come what may. So, nobody gives a shit about you. At some point people will suffer if they don't have merit. Also, those people who are studying in IIT do not get placed this year. India is not China, if you do not get a job, it may be possible that you might be good at one subject you can start coaching for that. Also you can start a small business, else you can't do anything.
我們現(xiàn)任政府將私有化一切。因此，事業(yè)單位中的預(yù)留名額將被取消。此外，無論如何，普通類別只會投票給一個政黨。所以，沒有人關(guān)心你。在某些時候，如果人們沒有能力，他們會遭受痛苦。此外，那些在印度理工學(xué)院學(xué)習(xí)的人今年沒有找到工作。印度不是中國，如果你找不到工作，可能你在某個科目上很擅長，你可以開始當(dāng)輔導(dǎo)老師。此外，你可以開個小生意，否則你什么都做不了。