為什么印度是一個如此骯臟的國家？有組織的混亂
Why is India such a Dirty Country? Organized Chaos
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網友：整個印度接待的外國游客比小小的新加坡還少。仔細想想這一點，這不是有組織的混亂……只是混亂而已……
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為什么印度是一個如此骯臟的國家？有組織的混亂
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The whole of India gets fewer foreign tourists than tiny Singapore. Think hard about that. It’s not organised chaos… just chaos…
整個印度接待的外國游客比小小的新加坡還少。仔細想想這一點，這不是有組織的混亂……只是混亂而已……
China, England and for that matter most countries have areas which are as dirty as India's Difference is that while dirty places constitute less than 10% the rest 90% are clean & neat. In india the dirty places constitute 90% while clean places are less than 10%.. So there is no comparision. Your contention that Swacch Bharat is a success is totally off. My perception as a citizen living in India is that this place is more dirt than it was 10 years back.
中國、英國以及大多數國家都有像印度一樣骯臟的地區(qū)。不同的是他們的骯臟的地方只占不到10%，而其余90%是干凈整潔的。而在印度，骯臟的地方占90%，而干凈的地方不到10%……所以沒有可比性。你認為“清潔印度”運動是成功的說法完全錯誤。作為一個生活在印度的公民，我的感覺是這個地方比10年前更臟了。
Those photos of China were taken at least 20 years ago. Something is very strange. You don't look for the reasons for your shortcomings and try to change them, however you use photos of other countries 20 years ago to convince yourself is not that bad. How can you make India better with this kind of thinking ?
那些中國的照片至少是20年前拍的，這很奇怪。你不去尋找自己缺點的原因并試圖改變它們，反而用其他國家20年前的照片來說服自己情況沒那么糟。用這種思維方式，你怎么能讓印度變得更好呢？
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Issue is that people in India mostly consider cleaning as inferior work or work that is least appreciated. Homes are mostly cleaned by elder women in home or servent. Even at home it is ok to make the place dirty for some else to clean. At home someone does it as there is no other option. Outside no one does it and Government does not have the resources or will to clean as it is not rewarding and people have to take effort to not make the place dirty. I am struggling to educate my kids to do it, but is loosing. I am unable to impose penalties at home, but expect Gov to impose penalty. Maybe rewarding would work.
問題是印度大多數人認為清潔是低等工作或最不受贊賞的工作，家里通常由年長的女性或仆人打掃。即使在家里，把地方弄臟讓別人打掃也是可以的。在家里有人打掃是因為沒有其他選擇。在外面沒有人打掃，政府也沒有資源或意愿去清潔，因為這沒有回報，人們必須努力不讓地方變臟。我正在努力教育我的孩子去做這件事，但正在失敗。我無法在家里實施懲罰，但期望政府實施懲罰，也許獎勵會奏效。
The creator of this video is more worried about phrases and is in denial. I've been to India in 2007 and 2023 the bus stations don't seem to have been cleaned properly nor refurbished since they were built (perhaps late 1970's). Same for shop fronts that look like the were built in the 1930's and never be refurbished or cleaned (inside many are ok).
No pavements, open sewers and ditches were common on side roads as were piles of rubbish (they don't have house to house waste collection). The Ganges is referred to as the 'Holy River' in which people bathe and wash their clothes but it's full of sewage, chemicals, human and animal remains !! They still can't clean it despite many attempts - it shows some of the Indian mindset and is embarrassing.
這個視頻的創(chuàng)作者更擔心措辭并且處于否認狀態(tài)。我曾在2007年和2023年去過印度，公交車站似乎自建成以來（可能是1970年代末）就沒有被妥善清潔或翻新過。同樣，商店門面看起來像是建于1930年代，從未翻新或清潔過（內部很多還不錯）。
沒有人行道，開放的下水道和溝渠在側路上很常見，還有成堆的垃圾（他們沒有挨家挨戶的垃圾收集）。恒河被稱為“圣河”，人們在其中沐浴和洗衣服，但它充滿了污水、化學品、人類和動物的遺?。?！盡管多次嘗試，他們仍然無法清理它——這顯示了印度的一些心態(tài)，令人尷尬。
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Earlier this year I was staying in a condo not far from the beach in Goa. One morning on our way to the beach the path and surrounding area was littered with empty liquor and beer bottles and plastic cups from an overnight drinking session. These young adults obviously had no pride in the cleanliness of the environment in which they lived. To solve this problem education about the health benefits of personal and environmental cleanliness and hygiene has to be taught in Schools starting in first Grade all the way to University.
今年早些時候，我住在果阿海灘附近的一套公寓里。一天早上，在我們去海灘的路上，小徑和周圍區(qū)域散落著空酒瓶、啤酒瓶和塑料杯，顯然是前一天晚上的飲酒活動留下的。這些年輕人顯然對他們生活環(huán)境的清潔沒有自豪感。為了解決這個問題，必須從小學一年級到大學都教授關于個人和環(huán)境清潔及衛(wèi)生的健康益處的教育。
Ignorance is our biggest problem. Most of us don't the truth about our own country or know any other way of doing things than how they are doing. Also, we are extremely gullible and so, very easily misled. The comments here will prove that. The other major problem is the ritualistic mindset, some call it tradition, which blocks all new ideas.
無知是我們最大的問題。我們大多數人不知道我們國家的真相，也不知道除了他們正在做的事情之外的其他方式。此外，我們非常容易上當，因此很容易被誤導。這里的評論將證明這一點。另一個主要問題是儀式化的心態(tài)，有些人稱之為傳統(tǒng)，它阻礙了所有新思想。
Well presented with good intention.
Eliminating the term “organised chaos” has little to do with lack education in civic sense & civic responsibilities as citizens. Call it what yu will, We Indians need less democracy & more affirmative action without considerations of caste, religion & politics. Doing the “right” thing, not necessarily “popular” is an essential ingredient for success, respect & self-worth.
表達得很好，意圖也很好。
消除“有組織的混亂”這一術語與公民意識和公民責任的教育缺失關系不大。隨便你怎么稱呼它，我們印度人需要更少的民主和更多的行動，而不考慮種姓、宗教和政治。做“正確”的事情而不一定是“受歡迎”的事情，是成功、尊重和自我價值的重要組成部分。
When your religion teaches you that the world is an illusion and a prison to be escaped from, then most might wonder why they should bother improving this prison, which includes cleaning up their streets.
當你的宗教教導你世界是一個幻覺和一個需要逃離的監(jiān)獄時，大多數人可能會想為什么他們要費心改善這個監(jiān)獄，包括清理他們的街道。
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you explained this concept very well , where there is garbage , people unconsiously through more garbage , spitting dosent occur inside a mall bcz there will be a fine and arrest for that , the fear is also neccesary
你很好地解釋了這個概念，哪里有垃圾，人們就會無意識地扔更多的垃圾，商場里不會發(fā)生隨地吐痰的情況，因為會有罰款和逮捕，恐懼也是必要的。
Stating organized chaos isn't the solution to the problem. At least sympathy works for the people and government of India that tourists haven't published dirtiness that goes around every parts of India on social media. Let's not compare the dirtiness of other countries, rather try to resolve the dirt of own country. This perception might be helpful to drive forward attitude of every nationals to make the country clean. Keep the motive clear and teach others and influence other by act how to clean the environment rather than comparing the dirt of other countries. The dirt of other countries don't last for long and are very minimal in degree to the dirt the India has. 70% of the surface water is polluted in India. There is a higher degree of dirtiness in restaurants, shops, rivers, and railways in India.
說“有組織的混亂”并不是解決問題的辦法。至少同情對印度人民和政府有用，游客沒有在社交媒體上發(fā)布印度各地的骯臟情況。我們不要比較其他國家的骯臟，而是要努力解決自己國家的骯臟。這種看法可能有助于推動每個國民的態(tài)度，使國家變得清潔。我們要保持動機明確并通過行動教導和影響他人如何清潔環(huán)境，而不是比較其他國家的骯臟。其他國家的骯臟不會持續(xù)很長時間，而且程度非常輕微，而印度的骯臟程度很高。印度70%的地表水受到污染。印度的餐館、商店、河流和鐵路的骯臟程度更高。
Lee Kuan Yew cleaned up Singapore within three years of taking power. Spitting, littering and unhygienic practices were subject to heavy fines. They even policed public toilets to ensure that people washed their hands. Of course it helped that the government provided the toilets or required businesses to build them in the first place. Singapore is now one of the cleanest and healthiest countries on earth.
李光耀在掌權三年內清理了新加坡，隨地吐痰、亂扔垃圾和不衛(wèi)生的行為都會受到重罰，他們甚至監(jiān)管公共廁所以確保人們洗手。當然，政府提供廁所或要求企業(yè)首先建造廁所也有幫助。新加坡現在是地球上最干凈和最健康的國家之一。
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The photo from England is VERY rare I think people can ignore bins. But it's looked down upon. I've lived all over UK all my life never seen anything close to that bad. I did spot an Indian family few years ago fly tipping all their garbage even th council provide big bins. No disrespect to that family maybe they needed to be shown. We have problem with our own fly tippers too and they have no excuse. Our rivers don't look like that we don't have massive disease problems for a reason. Pooping in the street doesnt help the health of your kids. Also basic hygiene with street food.
來自英國的照片非常罕見，我認為人們可以忽略垃圾桶，但這被視為不光彩。我一生都生活在英國各地，但我從未見過如此糟糕的情況。幾年前我確實發(fā)現一個印度家庭亂扔垃圾，盡管議會提供了大垃圾桶。我無意冒犯那個家庭，也許他們需要被教導。我們也有自己的亂扔垃圾者，他們沒有借口。我們的河流不像那樣，我們沒有大規(guī)模的疾病問題是有原因的。在街上拉屎對孩子的健康沒有幫助，街頭食品的基本衛(wèi)生也是如此。
Heavy fines do fuckall. I'm sad to admit that we never really understood our system of government and needed to be kept on a tight leash with brutalist laws holding borderline inhumane punishments for a while after independence to really appreciate what we have. Indians respond to the laws of brutality; caning, heavy fines, public shaming, human rights abuses. We are not a people who can be dealt with gently.
重罰毫無用處。我悲哀地承認我們從未真正理解我們的政府體制，在獨立后的一段時間內需要用殘酷的法律和近乎不人道的懲罰來嚴加管束，才能真正欣賞我們所擁有的。印度人對殘酷的法律有反應；鞭打、重罰、公開羞辱、侵犯人權。我們不是一個可以溫和對待的民族。
It seems to me the problem is with character/integrity, self respect, and common courtesy. You cannot tell me the "broken window" theory drives men to pee all over walls in public spaces. The whole rest of the world did away with diapers by the time they were two, and are capable of holding it until they are at a designated place.
在我看來，問題在于性格/正直、自尊和基本禮貌。你不能告訴我“破窗理論”會驅使人們在公共場所的墻上隨地小便，世界其他地區(qū)的人在兩歲時就不再使用尿布并且能夠堅持到指定的地方。
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I have noticed that in India, almost no local customers take their trays and rubbish to the bins/area provided in fast food joints. Is this cultural? In Australia the vast majority of customers clean up after themselves before leaving.
我注意到在印度，幾乎沒有本地顧客將托盤和垃圾帶到快餐店提供的垃圾桶/區(qū)域，這是文化問題嗎？在澳大利亞，絕大多數顧客在離開前都會自己清理。
We have seen change happen during common wealth games.
Also the maintenance of NDMC areas.
Delhi metro is another example so change is possible.
But go down NH8 from Gurugram to Jaipur,you will find a lot of policemen stopping cars with RJ or UP plates and checking papers while not stopping people on wrong side .
我們在英聯邦運動會期間看到了變化。
還有新德里市政（NDMC）地區(qū)的維護。
德里地鐵是另一個例子，所以變化是可能的。
但從古爾岡到齋浦爾的NH8公路上，你會發(fā)現很多警察（有授權的和未授權的）攔下RJ或UP牌照的汽車檢查文件，而不攔下逆行的人。
I think as an Indian telling others are dirty doesn't make India cleaner.
On the other hand teaching Children in primary classes cleanliness who in turn can also teach their parents cleanliness would definitely help.
That is the only way the country will become clean.
We on the other hand teach them STEM subjects and problem solving. But does not provide them infrastructure to put their learning in practice. So they leave and India remains what it already is a failure.
我認為作為一個印度人，告訴別人他們很臟并不會讓印度變得更干凈。
另一方面，在小學教授孩子們清潔，他們反過來也可以教他們的父母清潔，這肯定會有幫助。
這是國家變得干凈的唯一途徑。
另一方面，我們教他們STEM科目和解決問題，但沒有提供基礎設施讓他們將所學付諸實踐，所以他們離開了，印度仍然是一個失敗的國家。
It’s too bad that India is allowed to degrade to such a level. Individual pride as citizens will be a start, but the government has to have the resolve to lead the way by ensuring all levels of governing bodies are accountable. Corruption has to be tackled seriously so that the average citizen don’t perceive that some privileged people can easily get away with wrong doing. Cleaning up is the responsibility of everyone not just because the old caste system delegated it to the ‘untouchables’. Wishing India to its deserved greatness in the future.
很遺憾印度被允許退化到這種程度。作為公民的個人自豪感將是一個開始，但政府必須有決心通過確保各級治理機構負責來引領道路。必須認真解決腐敗問題，以便普通公民不會認為一些特權人士可以輕易逃脫錯誤行為。清潔是每個人的責任，而不僅僅是因為舊的種姓制度將其委托給“不可接觸者”。祝愿印度在未來達到應有的偉大。
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The picture of lookalike Modhi sweeping up rubbish is priceless. You're an obvious apologist for what is clearly a total breakdown of governance education ,order and common decency and it's certain with increased population and other pernicious influences like rampant greed and corruption that the entire country will and is collapsing into anarchy.
莫迪的模仿者掃垃圾的照片是無價的。你顯然是為治理、教育、秩序和基本禮儀的全面崩潰辯護的人，隨著人口的增加和其他有害影響，如猖獗的貪婪和腐敗，整個國家將并且正在陷入無政府狀態(tài)。
I thought this very interesting. I have no first hand knowledge of India but the picture of chaos and, well, squalor in some places is quite a familiar one. Your words tell ne that the problem is very real and that serious government programs are needed to solve this.
While the picture of (I think) London with piles of rubbish in the street is not unknown here, it is unusual. London is generally pretty clean. That's not to say there are no other signs of deprivation here. We do have homelessness, addiction problems and many areas struggling economically and are pretty grim.
Good luck with your project but next time we play you in cricket, England will be avenged!
我認為這非常有趣。我對印度沒有第一手了解，但混亂和某些地方的骯臟畫面非常熟悉。你的話告訴我這個問題非常真實，需要嚴肅的政府計劃來解決。
雖然（我認為）倫敦街道上成堆垃圾的照片在這里并不陌生，但這并不常見。倫敦通常相當干凈。這并不是說這里沒有其他貧困的跡象，我們確實有無家可歸者、成癮問題和許多經濟困難的地區(qū)，情況相當嚴峻。
祝你的項目好運，但下次我們在板球比賽中相遇時，英格蘭會報仇的！
Perhaps the leaders of India, and their families, at all levels, should be seen to clean up outdoors. Set an example for the people. Set aside one day a week for cleaning up outdoors, no matter what caste one is. Make cleanliness a point of pride. Also, teach people it is expected that they will clean up after themselves.
也許印度的各級領導人及其家人應該被看到在戶外做清潔，為人們樹立榜樣。每周留出一天時間在戶外清理，無論種姓如何，讓清潔成為自豪的象征。此外，教導人們他們應該自己清理。
Dear sir! You did intellectualize a problem which is pretty much our second nature??
India is chaos period! And that admission should be the start point of fixing it.
Swatch bharat was "half baked" as it did not solve the issues end to end.. it provided excellent optics for the government, yet made little long standing changes on the ground.
The problem is this: utter lack of necessary infrastructure for waste collection, disposal and/or recycling. The second part is the citizen responsibility of segregation, cooperating with standardized collection etc. The government used entire media machinary to fix the citizens end of responsibilities without doing anything about the civic / local bodies end. The result is that we are as trashy as we were in 2014, probably worse.
親愛的先生！你將一個幾乎是我們第二天性的問題理智化了。
印度就是混亂！這種承認應該是解決問題的起點。
“清潔印度”運動是“半途而廢”的，因為它沒有從頭到尾解決問題……它為政府提供了極好的宣傳，但在實地幾乎沒有帶來長期的改變。
問題是：完全缺乏必要的垃圾收集、處理和/或回收的基礎設施。第二部分是公民的分類責任，與標準化收集合作等。政府利用整個媒體機器來固定公民的責任，而沒有對市政/地方機構采取任何行動。結果是我們和2014年一樣垃圾，甚至可能更糟。
My personal feeling is that public health is more important than personal hygiene. Of course, this does not mean that personal hygiene is not important, mainly because I am a lazy person, but at least I should strive not to damage public health. I can't imagine living in a city like a garbage dump, is it still considered alive?
I am pleased to see that many Hollywood superstars recently exposed, such as Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp, and others, also have poor hygiene habits, bad breath, body odor, and so on. They have everything except for good hygiene habits
我個人的感覺是公共衛(wèi)生比個人衛(wèi)生更重要。當然，這并不意味著個人衛(wèi)生不重要，主要是因為我是一個懶惰的人，但至少我應該努力不損害公共衛(wèi)生。我無法想象生活在一個像垃圾場一樣的城市，這還能算是活著嗎？
我很高興看到最近曝光的許多好萊塢超級明星，如布拉德·皮特、安吉麗娜·朱莉、約翰尼·德普等也有不良的衛(wèi)生習慣，口臭、體臭等等。他們擁有一切，除了良好的衛(wèi)生習慣。
you cannot walk along side a road for more than 10 minutes in india, your eyes will feel gritty due to dust, you throat will feel like its has swallowed dust, there is smell everywhere, not to mention the noise pollution of constant honking.
If we dont know how much deeper a hole we are in in how can we think of getting out of it !!
Saying vishavguru bharat and all this shit is not gonna change anything
Google HDI, quality of life index, life expectancy, indian passport strength, we are all way behind except in corruption index
在印度，你無法在路邊走超過10分鐘，你的眼睛會因為灰塵而感到刺痛，你的喉嚨會感覺像是吞了灰塵，到處都是氣味，更不用說持續(xù)的喇叭聲的噪音污染了。
如果我們不知道我們陷得有多深，我們怎么能想到擺脫它！！
說“印度是世界的導師”和所有這些胡說八道不會改變任何事情。
搜一下人類發(fā)展指數、生活質量指數、預期壽命、印度護照的強度，你會發(fā)現我們在所有這些方面都遠遠落后，除了腐敗指數。
The cleanliness drive has taken off in india. Millions of toilets have been made.
An awareness has started coming in all of us.
It'll take some more time to reach Singapore Standards.
清潔運動在印度已經啟動，我們已經建造了數百萬個廁所。
我們所有人都開始有了意識。
要達到新加坡的標準還需要一些時間。
Those photos of China and the UK are disgusting. But the fact that most of India looks like it is the Problem. These developed nations do have some unclean areas but most areas of them look beautiful and organized. But that's not the case in India.
那些中國和英國的照片令人作嘔，但問題是印度大部分地區(qū)看起來都是這樣。這些發(fā)達國家確實有一些不干凈的地區(qū)，但大部分地區(qū)看起來美麗而有組織，但印度不是這樣。
Its the rural people cominy to big cities for jobs . Too many rickshaws ,buses and motorcycle causing more pollution . One rickshaw and motorcycle carrying only one person does not make sense
農村人口來到大城市找工作，太多的三輪車、公共汽車和摩托車導致了更多的污染，一輛三輪車和摩托車只載一個人是沒有意義的。
There's what is called Mahtma Gandhi Rural Employment Scheme..
India can be cleaner with millions of people
Working to keep villages clean..
有一個叫做“圣雄甘地農村就業(yè)計劃”的東西……
印度可以通過數百萬人努力保持村莊清潔而變得更干凈。
Indian cities are dirty and chaotic. Almost 700000 villeges are clean and tranquil. Usually foreighners visit delhi jaipur agra which are unorganized and dirty. Delhi is a mess. But in villages and smaller towns things are totally different. Indian cities at the moment are just like western cities in the 19th century.
印度的城市骯臟而混亂，而70萬個村莊干凈而寧靜。通常外國人訪問德里、齋浦爾和阿格拉，這些地方無組織且骯臟。德里一團糟，但在村莊和小城鎮(zhèn)，情況完全不同。印度城市目前就像19世紀的西方城市。
Dude, "look, other countries are bad as well" is the most BS excuse. I live abroad, have travelled to bunch of countries and watch travel videos of all countries all the time. India is THE WORST in many areas. The photos you show are excepttion rather than the rule unlike in India where every public bad/misbehavior is a rule, pretty much across the whole country.
伙計，“看，其他國家也很糟糕”是最扯淡的借口。我生活在國外，去過很多國家，并且經?？锤鲊穆眯幸曨l，印度在許多領域是最糟糕的。你展示的照片是例外而不是常規(guī)，不像印度，每個公共場所的不良行為/不當行為都是普遍的，幾乎遍布全國。
India is not a dirty country. India is beautiful in terms of flora and fauna but it has waste management issues. That's because cleaning ?? ?? a city requires a lot of time and resources. Politicians don't have time for that because elections here take place in every 5 years. Cleaning a city is a long-term process. It can take more than a decade to clean an entire city inside out. But since the elections in India take place in every 5 years, the politicians have to focus on short-term goals in order to win elections. That's one of the problem.
印度不是一個骯臟的國家，印度在動植物方面很美，但它存在廢物管理問題。這是因為清潔一個城市需要大量的時間和資源，政治家沒有時間做這些，因為這里的選舉每5年舉行一次。清潔城市是一個長期的過程。徹底清潔整個城市可能需要十多年的時間，但由于印度的選舉每5年舉行一次，政治家們必須專注于短期目標以贏得選舉。這是問題之一。