兩代同堂！殲-15和殲-15T 靚圖， J-15T大了一圈？

@PLArealtalk
It is rather poetic that the T-10K and Su-33 airfrx lineage finally, with the J-15T, has a descendant in service that is qualitatively competitive with the active service, frontline carrierborne peers of its present era (Su-33 certainly was not competitive with comparable planes of its era, and the baseline J-15 was/is half a generation behind). And it doesn't hurt that J-15T can crossdeck between CATOBAR and STOBAR.
I wonder if Russia has any Su-33s still in flying shape. A photoex between a J-15T and Su-33 would be something to see, even if it was just a brief pair formation flight in the air.

頗具詩意的是，T-10K和蘇-33這一系列的機體，終于隨著殲-15T的服役，出現了一款在質上能與現役主流艦載機媲美的后代（蘇-33其實從未能與其同代的同類型戰(zhàn)機競爭，基本型殲-15也始終落后半代）。再加上殲-15T還能兼容彈射與滑躍起飛的航母，這無疑是個加分項。
不知道俄羅斯現在還有沒有能飛的蘇-33。如果殲-15T和蘇-33能同框，無論只是在空中的簡短編隊飛行，都一定非常值得一看。


@xingi
I wonder if Russia has any Su-33s still in flying shape.
Yes…. They often fly patrols and escorts in the northern part of the country. That said Su-33 is the only Soviet flanker to have not received a modern upgrade.

我很好奇俄羅斯現在還有能飛的蘇-33嗎？
有的……它們經常在俄羅斯北部執(zhí)行巡邏和護航任務。不過，蘇-33也是唯一沒有進行現代化升級的蘇聯側衛(wèi)戰(zhàn)機。


@therealshadowofagod
They did upgrade their carrier based mig29s right? Also the carrier based su25 looks hella funny

他們確實升級了艦載版的米格29吧？還有艦載版的蘇25看起來真的很搞笑。


@Frequent_Speed_207
What I see is since Soviet collapsed and Russia no longer have the capability of continue to build more carriers as Ukraine got the shipyard, they even have trouble to fix the only remaining carrier, therefore no reason and need to modernize the Su33. Modernizing mig on the other hand not only cheaper compared to the su33, it’s also cheaper to operate. Using less amount of money and at the same time left a bit hope for the future.(If they’re going to rebuild the navy Air Force)

在我看來，自從蘇聯解體后，俄羅斯已經沒有能力繼續(xù)建造新的航母了，因為烏克蘭掌握了造船廠，他們甚至修理現存唯一航母都有困難，所以也沒必要去升級蘇33。相比之下，升級米格系列不僅比升級蘇33便宜，運行成本也更低。這樣不僅花的錢少，同時還能給未來海軍航空兵留點希望（如果他們還打算重建海軍航空兵的話）。


@Frequent_Speed_207
Besides that, su33 isn’t really a battle ready fighter when it’s still in operation. Russia doesn’t have the electronics that Chinese used for their flankers therefore far more dead weight, really bad fuel economy. On the other hand, china incorporates western electronics and start developing them throughout the way. Thanks to the huge space needed for Russian electronics, China using western style electronics saved massive space and weight while still performing way better, if my memory wasn’t wrong for J16s because the space and weight saving was so huge that they have to put some dead weight in the nose to keep it balanced. Don’t forget that J15T also have a structure upgrade compared to the J15. More composite materials being used etc. I just can’t wait J15T gets its target engine cuz that beast gonna have some crazy thrust to weight ratio.

另外，蘇33本身也算不上是真正戰(zhàn)備狀態(tài)的戰(zhàn)斗機。俄羅斯沒有中國那樣的先進電子設備，所以飛機負重很大，油耗也很高。反觀中國，采納了西方電子系統(tǒng)，并在此基礎上持續(xù)開發(fā)。因為俄羅斯電子設備體積巨大，中國引進西方式電子構型后，節(jié)省了大量空間和重量，性能還更好，據我記得，J16的空間和重量省得太多，最后還要在機頭里專門加配重保持平衡。別忘了J15T相較J15結構也進行了升級，更多復合材料被應用等等。我非常期待J15T換裝目標發(fā)動機，因為那時推重比肯定非常厲害。


@rx78gp03fb
The J15 is an obvious transitional model, and its main role is for training, while the J15T is a serious combat model, as can be seen from the liveries of both

J15顯然是一款過渡型號，主要用于訓練，而J15T則是一款真正的作戰(zhàn)型號，這從兩者的涂裝就能看出來。


@_spec_tre
(Since this is taken from the Shandong's visit)
I will never not mald about the process of getting tickets for Shandong in HK. There are only 2k tickets available and three windows to get the tickets, and even though I completed everything in 5s I still couldn't get them. From what I saw online, probably half of those were already reserved for students or for people in different positions BUT you can't even use it if you know someone with those tickets (who doesn't need them) since they needed real name verification for this one.
There's basically nothing you can do to get the tickets as the average person without using some macro and I can't help but wonder if there is a better system for this
Worse yet if you need to get tickets for more than one person. Although you can register more than one person on the platform you need to manually add every single person when trying to get tickets, which is two extra clicks per person and ends any possibility of getting tickets unless you have F1 driver reflexes (probably still not enough tbh)
Ah well, at least I can see the 054 and 052 at Stonecutter's Island from my house

（因為這是山東號訪問時的事）
我永遠都對在香港（特區(qū)）搶山東艦船票的過程感到無語。只有兩千張票，分三個窗口開售，結果我用五秒鐘全部流程完成還是沒搶到。從網上看到的一些信息來看，大約一半的票都提前優(yōu)先給了學生或者某些特定身份的人，但如果你認識拿到票但不去的人也沒用，因為這次要實名驗證。
一般人基本沒有辦法靠正常手段搶到票，除非用什么腳本外掛。我真的很好奇有沒有更合理的分票方式。
更糟糕的是，如果需要替多個人搶票，雖然平臺上可以注冊多個人，但在購票的時候每加一個人都需要手動輸入信息，要多點兩下，大大拖慢速度，除非你的手速有F1車手那么快，但估計還是不夠。
唉，能在家看到石鼓洲的054和052軍艦也算聊以自慰吧。


@MAVACAM
I mean that's just classic experience of trying to queue up and buy anything online, bots and scalpers snatch everything up in milliseconds.

我的意思是，這就是在網上排隊買東西的經典體驗，黃牛和搶購機器人會在幾毫秒內把所有東西都搶光。


@_spec_tre
Except you can't even scalp in this case because you can't transfer your ID...

只是你在這種情況下甚至都沒法倒賣票，因為你的身份證件無法轉讓……


@teethgrindingaches
Presumably that is intentional in order to deter scalpers?

大概這是有意為之，用來防止黃牛吧


@PLArealtalk
Yeah, being unable to scalp tickets like these probably is a good thing.
Scalping tickets for Taylor Swift concerts and the like are already poorly tolerated by society, I can't imagine the PLA would want open day visits to their carriers to be perceived like that.

是的，像這種門票無法被黃牛炒賣，其實可能是件好事。
在社會上，炒賣泰勒·斯威夫特演唱會門票這種行為已經很不受歡迎了，我很難想象解放軍會希望航母開放日被人們視為那種場合。


@_spec_tre
Honestly? When the number of tickets is so limited I'd rather let them be decided by the price mechanism via scalping than letting people with government positions and people with macros get all of them

說實話？在票數這么有限的情況下，我寧愿通過黃牛的價格機制來決定誰能買到，也不想讓那些有政府職位的人和用腳本的人全拿走了


@zxksian
I was only able to acquire two tickets in the final round of registration at 8pm since I had given up on the carrier therefore I switched strategies of sniping Shandong solely to the destroyers and I picked an afternoon time slot at the bottom section which fortunately I was able to get tickets for Zhanjiang (052D) and Yuncheng (054A) destroyers but disappointed on not seeing the naval craft and J-15s, I apparently later searched on red-note which I suspect that a lot of non-Hong Kong mainlanders were able to get the Shandong reservations and both the destroyers as well, I highly suspect it is rigged and connected to top positions (apparently I asked some Chinese friends from different CCP organisations in Hong Kong to secure some Shandong tickets but they said you can only acquire them via the only WeChat system) Basically bots and top relations… :(

我只能在晚上8點的最后一輪報名中搶到兩張票，因為之前已經放棄了航空母艦的預約，所以我改變策略專門搶山東艦相關的驅逐艦票，并選擇了下午在底部區(qū)域的時間段，幸運的是我最終搶到了湛江（052D）和運城（054A）兩艘驅逐艦的票，但很遺憾沒能參觀航母和殲-15戰(zhàn)機。后來我在小紅書上查了一下，懷疑有很多非香港（特區(qū)）的大陸人也能搶到山東艦和這兩艘驅逐艦的預約票。我十分懷疑整個系統(tǒng)有貓膩，并且和高層關系有關（其實我還找了在香港（特區(qū)）不同黨組織的中國朋友幫忙拿山東艦的票，他們說只能通過唯一的微信系統(tǒng)預約）。總之感覺被機器人和靠關系的人搶走了，很失望 :(


@chengelao
Any idea where specifically the Shandong is going to be these few days? Want to get a glimpse on the weekend but couldn’t find anything about where she’s parked.

有人知道這幾天山東號具體會在什么位置嗎？我想周末去看看，但找不到她停在哪里的消息。


@kazec1981
Western Anchorage No. 2

西錨地2號


@Greeninja7575
Which one is which?

哪個是哪個？


@Wanderingshine
Functionally, they can be distinguished by the front landing gear. Compared with the J15, the J15-T has a reinforced and thickened front landing gear to accommodate catapult takeoff.
From a more intuitive point of view, the J15-T has a light-colored nose radome.
So the aircraft on the top of the picture is the J15-T.

功能上，它們可以通過前起落架來區(qū)分。與殲-15相比，殲-15T的前起落架經過加固和加厚，以適應彈射起飛。
從更直觀的角度來看，殲-15T有一個淺色的雷達罩。
所以圖片頂部的那架飛機就是殲-15T。


@SkylineGTRR34Freak
Just to add some more: the J-15 has a single piece landing gear door at the front, while the J-15T has split landing gear doors. The J-15T also has a launchbar on the front gear to hook it up to the catapult (Not really visible here).

補充一點：J-15前起落架艙門是一體式的，而J-15T則是分體式的。J-15T的前起落架還增加了用于連接彈射器的牽引桿（這里不是很明顯能看到）。


@Greeninja7575
Thanks!

謝謝！


@tommos
Surprised they haven't got rid of the cannon on the newer version. You'd think it's just taking up space.

讓我驚訝的是，他們在新版上居然還沒去掉那個機炮。感覺它就是在占地方。


@Wanderingshine
Cannons are still necessary, especially considering that these aircraft have to deal with many situations, such as accompanying or driving away foreign aircraft. Even though we always talk about beyond visual range, the situation is not so serious/bad that we dare only shout at each other from a distance, rather than taking close-up photos of each other through the glass.

機炮還是有必要的，尤其是考慮到這些飛機要應對很多情況，比如伴飛或者驅離外機。雖然我們常說超視距作戰(zhàn)，但其實局勢還沒糟糕到只能遠遠地喊話，連隔著玻璃近距離拍個照片都不敢。


@Schwerter_105
Honestly it’s just extra work for very little benefit, since they’re probably on a tight schedule, not touching it is the better choice imo

說實話，這純粹是多做了不少工作，但幾乎沒有什么好處，而且他們可能時間很緊，我覺得不去動它才是更好的選擇


@NFU2
15T on top, older 15 on the bottom with the red/yellow formation stripes.
Some other easy to spot markers to look out for on the 15T are
The beefier front landing gear,
canted front bulkhead/radome color,
additional RF antennas on the leading edge/slats of the wing
antennas on the top of the aircraft behind the canopy and tip of the tails,
changed wingtip rail,
different IRST housing,
and the low vis insignia/artwork

15T在上面，老款的15在下面，可以通過紅黃偽裝條區(qū)分。
其他容易識別15T的特征還有：
更粗壯的前起落架，
前隔框/雷達罩是傾斜配色，
機翼前緣和縫翼上多了射頻天線，
座艙后方和垂尾頂端有新天線，
翼尖導軌不同，
紅外探測器艙體也變了，
還有低可視度的徽標或涂裝。


@Greeninja7575
Thanks!

謝謝！


@kris_alpha
Simple. The one with the dark gray radome and a barbecue poker at the nose is the old J-15, the one with a light grey radome and a slanted nose is the new J-15T.
P.s. Yes, I know the "barbecue poker" is the pitot tube. Thanks in advance ??

很簡單，那個帶深灰色雷達罩、機頭像烤肉叉的就是老款殲-15；帶淺灰色雷達罩、機頭有點傾斜的就是新款殲-15T。
補充一下，我知道“烤肉叉”其實是皮托管，謝謝大家提前指出?


@Wesukiliyee
What does ribbon painting mean?

“Ribbon painting”是什么意思？   （注：指的是用帶子作畫或畫出絲帶形狀的繪畫方式）


@Capable-Reindeer-545
The livery for the Chinese military parade on September 3rd
Incidentally, last month, when Chinese aircraft carriers were training in the Pacific, it was this J15 that approached and expelled the reconnaissance of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces' P3C reconnaissance aircraft. （Tactical Number: 60）
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/12/asia/china-japan-warplanes-close-encounter-intl-hnk-ml

9月3日中國閱兵式上使用的涂裝。
順便說一下，上個月中國航母在太平洋進行訓練時，正是這架編號為60的殲-15戰(zhàn)機接近并驅離了日本自衛(wèi)隊P3C反潛巡邏機的偵察。
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/12/asia/china-japan-warplanes-close-encounter-intl-hnk-ml


@Delicious_Lab_8304
No. The red and yellow ribbons / flashes are not formation marks or livery for the parade (like the parade livery on the KJ-600 which looks a little like the old ROC 5-colour flag).
You see them on the vast majority of PLANAF J-15s, always. Just like the flying shark motif and electric shark motif on the tails of J-15H/T and J-15DH/T, respectively.
PLANAF (like some other naval airforces) has looser rules on aircraft paint schemes and insignia.

不，這些紅色和黃色的絲帶/閃光并不是編隊標記或為了閱兵噴涂的特殊涂裝（比如KJ-600在閱兵時用的涂裝，看起來有點像過去中華民國的五色旗）。
你幾乎總能在大部分海軍航空兵的殲-15上看到這些標記，一直如此。正如你能在殲-15H/T和殲-15DH/T的尾部分別看到“飛鯊”與“電子鯊”的圖案一樣。
中國海軍航空兵（和其他一些海軍航空兵類似）對于飛機的涂裝和標志管理得比較寬松。


@Temstar
IIRC they were formation marks, but not for this upcoming one but rather for 2019. PLANAF liked them so much that they decided to keep them after 2019.
For this year PLANAF wanted to use a white/blue formation mark but got overruled, so in protest they did this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1ldfd06/comment/my7ulkq

如果我沒記錯的話，這些其實是編隊標記，不過不是為即將到來的活動準備的，而是2019年的。中國海軍航空兵（PLANAF）很喜歡這些標記，所以2019年后也一直保留著。
今年，海軍航空兵本來想用白色/藍色的編隊標記，但他們的方案被否決了，所以他們就用這種方式表達抗議：
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1ldfd06/comment/my7ulkq


@PLArealtalk
Originally the red/yellow ribbons were actually formation marks and livery for past parades, but got retained on the aircraft that had them.
I'm unsure if additional new build aircraft had formation marks added to them for the sake of it (even if there was no upcoming parade to fly for), but the original ribbons are definitely formation marks.

最初，紅色和黃色的緞帶實際上是用于編隊標記和過去閱兵的涂裝，但后來這些緞帶被保留在已經噴涂過它們的飛機上。
我不確定后來新制造的飛機是否也單純?yōu)榱送垦b加上了編隊標記（即使沒有即將舉行的閱兵），但最初的緞帶肯定是用作編隊標記的。


@ZTyoho
Parade formation marks. Sep 3rd is China's V-Day, WWII victory 80th anniversary. There will be parade every 10 years of V-Day and National Day.

閱兵隊形標記。9月3日是中國的勝利日，也是二戰(zhàn)勝利80周年紀念日。每逢勝利日和國慶日，每十年會舉行一次閱兵。


@Delicious_Lab_8304
Nope. See above comment.

不是的，看看上面的評論。


@ElectronicHoneydew86
F/A-18 and F/A-18E/F kind of vibes

有點像F/A-18和F/A-18E/F的感覺


@turtles0987654321
Is the nose bigger on the 15T?

15T的機頭（前端）更大嗎？


@ZTyoho
They are same size. The two aircraft have a subtle angle difference, and then the effect of perspective under ultra-telephoto lenses will be very weak. If two obxts that are almost the same visually large, you will instinctively feel that the one behind a bit larger.

它們大小是一樣的。只是兩架飛機之間有一個細微的角度差，而且在超遠攝鏡頭下，透視效果會非常弱。如果有兩個看起來幾乎一樣大的物體，你本能上會覺得后面的那個稍微大一些。


@Busy_Arm930
The sharks look cool, anyone know if it has any meaning/unit id?

這些鯊魚看起來很酷，有人知道它們有什么含義或者編號嗎？


@sli9htdream
J15 aka flying shark 

J15，也叫做飛鯊


@Novel_Toe_9235
I am in love with china even tho I am from india. Coz china is what I wanted my country to be like. Atleast someone is living the dream. China truely has almost perfect flankers.

我非常喜歡中國，雖然我是印度人。因為中國正是我希望我的國家成為的樣子。至少有人正在實現這個夢想。中國的戰(zhàn)斗機真的接近完美。


@AccomplishedCover689
Oh boy the J15 is already a really big aircraft for naval aviation and by the looks of it, the J15T are longer and (possibly) had bigger wings

天啊，殲-15本來就是海軍航空兵中體型非常大的飛機了，而且看起來殲-15T機身更長，機翼也可能更大。


@SigmaBattalion
Awesome

畫面太棒了


@LP_lix
It's a pity that Russian built the Su-27s then the Chinese just copy the design and named it differently. Edit: i know this sub is crawling with Chinese bots. But i dont know this many. LOL. Fcku you Chinese bots

很遺憾，蘇聯造了蘇-27，中國直接抄了設計，還換了名字。我知道這里有很多中國水軍，但沒想到有這么多，哈哈。XX你們，中國水軍


@Kaka_ya
the same level of pity that the soviet develop the theory of radar evasion but the America just copy and use it.

就像蘇聯開發(fā)了雷達規(guī)避理論，但美國只是照搬并使用一樣，這種情況也讓人感到同樣的遺憾。


@54H60-77
Im not sure thats accurate. The F-117's shape and design were in fact a result of a Lockheed engineer coming across an old soviet paper regarding deflection of EM energy based on shape. But Lockheed had to design and build an entire aircraft from that concept, and shape isnt the only thing that made it stealthy, there were also coatings that had to be developed, not copied. That is not at all comparable to the Chinese taking an already flying airplane and heavily modifying it with locally made electronics. Even the engines are based on a reverse engineered GE core that was never licensed to be produced. I think a better example is the Martin B-57, which is a licensed copy of the English Electric Canberra, with locally made electronics and later, US built engines.

我覺得你說得并不準確。F-117的外形設計確實是洛克希德工程師偶然看到一篇關于根據外形折射電磁能量的蘇聯論文后受到啟發(fā)而來的，但洛克希德是根據這個理念自行設計、制造出整架飛機的。而且F-117的隱身不僅僅靠外形，還有他們自己研發(fā)的涂層技術，這些都不是抄襲來的。這和中國拿現成的飛機進行大幅改裝，并用國產電子設備代替的做法完全不一樣。甚至連發(fā)動機也是基于逆向工程，并且根本沒有得到授權生產，更不能相提并論。我覺得更合適的例子是馬丁B-57，那是英制電氣坎培拉的授權生產版，采用了國產電子設備和后續(xù)美國自產的發(fā)動機。


@Kaka_ya
Copying the theory is copying if you really want to argue. I am not talking about the whole F117 as well.
Honestly I am not blaming USA in this case. It is just normal to use the existing technology. There is nothing pity at all. The only pity is that soviet fail in any further development of their own technology in both cases.

如果你硬要爭論的話，照搬理論當然算是抄襲，我也不是在說整個F117。
坦率地講，這種情況下我并不怪美國，使用現有技術本來就是很正常的事，沒什么可惜的。唯一可惜的是蘇聯在這兩種情況下都沒能繼續(xù)發(fā)展自己的技術。


@54H60-77
They didnt copy a theory. Lockheed took what was a theory, and applied it to a then non existant technology. The original Soviet paper had an idea, which was basically how a shape can redirect EM energy. It had nothing to do with aerospace at all, a wayward engineer came across the paper and thought it might have an application for an aircraft, this is not the same thing as J-15/Su-27.
Also, the original paper was a public document in a peer reviewed journal.

他們并沒有抄襲某個理論。洛克希德公司是把一個理論應用到了當時還不存在的技術上。蘇聯的那篇原始論文只是提出了一個想法，主要是關于某種形狀如何改變電磁能量的傳播方式，和航空航天完全沒關系。后來有個工程師偶然看到這篇論文，才想到或許可以應用在飛機上，這跟J-15或蘇-27的情況完全不同。
另外，那篇原始論文是公開發(fā)表在經過同行評審的期刊上的。